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2019 Survivor Fallen Angel Profiles: Palau

Welcome to the 2019 Survivor Fallen Angel Profile series!

In these threads, we encourage in-depth discussion about the "fallen angels" throughout Survivor history, counting down from the most recent to the original. In this context, a fallen angel is the last player eliminated prior to Final Tribal Council.

What allowed these players to make it to the end game? What are the reasons they fell short? Were they legit threats or coattail riders? How close were they to winning? Who would they have won or lost against had they made it to Final Tribal Council? How was their gameplay, narrative, story, edit, competition, and former or later seasons (if applicable)? What's their Survivor legacy? Are they overrated or underrated as a player and a character? Will they ever return?

These threads are meant for in-depth discussion, not low-effort content. We encourage people to post their detailed thoughts after reflecting on these fallen angels and their paths through the game.


Today's topic: Survivor: Palau fallen angel Ian Rosenberger.

  • Method of Elimination: Voted out at impromptu F3

  • Individual Immunities won: 2/7

  • Tribal Councils Attended: 8/15

  • Votes Against: 4

  • Correct Votes: 6/7


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Wendell
38 points · 15 days ago

ooh yay!!!

What allowed these players to make it to the end game?

Ian won the introductory challenge due to his strong swimming skills, formed really good bonds during that first day and ended up picking a tribe that just never lost. During the pre-absorption period, he formed some incredibly strong relationships with Tom and Katie as well as Gregg and Jenn. This put Ian in a 3-person group within a 5-person group on a tribe of 9. In other words, he was perfectly set up within Koror, and seeing as how Koror never lost, he was perfectly set up within the game. Once Koror's numbers started having to close in on each other, he led the Gregg blindside, which set himself up very well for the endgame.

What are the reasons they fell short?

Because he chose to. Simple as that. He did not want to win after the events of the last few days.

Were they legit threats or coattail riders? How close were they to winning? Who would they have won or lost against had they made it to Final Tribal Council?

Ian was absolutely a legitimate threat to win. In the F3 that he had been dreaming of since the beginning, one was a goat, which meant all he had to do was beat the other. Of course that other was Tom Westman, so that is far easier said than done but Ian proved that he could definitely beat Tom in challenges.

How was their gameplay, narrative, story, edit, competition, and former or later seasons (if applicable)?

I think Ian is the best character in Survivor history. I don't think anyone comes close. I won't go into it too much here but I'll just link [my write-up for him] (https://reddit.unblock.cricket/r/survivorrankdownIII/comments/5t7h63/endgame_6/) that I did in SurvivorRankdownIII. The point is that his narrative, story and edit are all damn near perfect and make him this incredibly compelling character that still resonates 14 years later.

As for his gameplay, it's tough to talk about. Ian has a number of clear strengths as a player. He is super likable and very smart, two qualities that are always key for a good Survivor player. But during Palau, we saw him constantly getting in his own way. From a pure strategic perspective he did not play the F5-F4 rounds well. At F5, he broke his promise to Katie after he had already strongarmed her into going along with the Gregg boot, hurting her even more. Then at F4 he made a weird social faux pas when he basically admitted to Tom that if he hadn't won immunity, he would be voting him out. That caused Tom to vote Ian at F4 along with Jenn, making Ian legitimately vulnerable to being eliminated at 4th when he shouldn't have been.

What's their Survivor legacy?

As an amazing character who showed that yes, some things in life can be worth more than a million dollars. To this day Ian does not regret his decision at all, and he has been doing very well for himself.

Are they overrated or underrated as a player and a character?

I don't see much talk about him as a player. As I mentioned before, he has a number of super good qualities but he is also at risk of putting his foot in his mouth a lot. But I can very easily see Ian winning a season of Survivor, and that's more than I can say about a lot of players.

As a character, I don't think it's possible for him to be overrated. Like I said, I think he's easily the best character in Survivor history. So I would say he's underrated despite doing very well in the vast majority of character rankings (he is one of three characters to make endgame in all four Survivor Rankdowns).

Will they ever return?

He doesn't seem interested and I honestly hope he doesn't. I have zero faith in modern Survivor to build on Ian's incredible Palau story. It's perfect as is.

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Aurora
15 points · 15 days ago

get you a man that looks at you the way rams looks at Ian Rosenberger

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Christian
1 point · 15 days ago

Didn't Ian say in his recent AMA that he had thought about the prospect of returning as well, and even hint that he'd been asked to play for recent returnee seasons?

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In his AMA he said he had turned returning down but he said who knows for the future. There’s still definitely a chance.

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Alison
14 points · 15 days ago

I was so sad when Rob and Josh called Ian’s move one of the dumbest in Survivor history. It’s not dumb if exactly what you thought would happen happens!

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All 3 of you, kiss my ass.
5 points · 15 days ago

Yeah I've seen Ian's decision be called the dumbest mistake ever in Survivor. It wasn't a mistake, he knew what would happen, and thats what he wanted. And like you said doesn't regret a single thing. (Other than maybe the nerve damage him and Tom suffer because of the challenge.)

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"Go ahead, Jeffrey. Snuff my torch!"
7 points · 14 days ago

Exactly! It achieved the desired outcome. They can't fathom someone not wanting to win a million dollars at any cost, so they can't fathom a universe where Ian doesn't immediately regret this decision, but if you listen to the few interviews people have actually managed to get from him, you'd know that isn't the case. Ian hasn't lost a wink of sleep over what he did in Palau. He's just not that kind of guy.

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The Wardog
10 points · 15 days ago

my favorite character of all time from one of my favorite seasons of all time, Ian was the rawest, most interesting person the show’s ever had imo, and i think him stepping down from the buoy is one of the most legendary moments in survivor history. Ian showed to the world that there are some things much more important than money and i’m so glad that he’s been able to achieve his dreams of helping the world today. Ian’s an amazing human being and has the most satisfying one season arc in the show’s history

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Chris
11 points · 15 days ago

He truly is an angel, and is one of my favourite characters of all time. His story is really tragic, but at the same time it's beautiful and perfect, and makes the Palau finale (and the season as a whole) a masterpiece. I loved his father-son relationship with Tom, and how it began in Episode 1, and it lasting all the way to the end with Ian stepping down from the FIC. Just a beautiful story.

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Mark the Chicken
8 points · 15 days ago

There seems to be a misconception floating around that Tom spent the last few days manipulating Ian into quitting the final challenge. I'm dubious, I doubt anyone expected it to be so long.

Tom was trying to guilt trip him into taking him to the F2, and it just so happened this manipulating transferred to the challenge.

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Dan
7 points · 15 days ago · edited 15 days ago
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Cirie
13 points · 15 days ago

Look, I liked Ian. But I just don't get the head-over-heels love for him.

His moral dilemma at the final three was interesting and unique, but it wasn't enough for me to not say, "why the fuck would you let Tom play you like a fiddle like that?"

Because that's what happened and that's what Tom did. There was no part of that where Tom was being genuine. It was complete manipulation and Ian fell for it.

Where Erik is chastised for all of Survivor history for a similar situation, Ian is praised.

I'm excited to read people's thoughts here.

level 2
13 points · 15 days ago

I don't think Tom really played him at all. I think he just wanted Ian to admit what he did, and for whatever reason Ian couldn't bring himself to do it.

And I think Erik and Ian are completely different cases. Erik gave up his necklace because he thought he was making the best move for him in the game. Ian obviously didn't think he was making a good game move, the friendships he made in the game were more important to him than winning the game. I think Ian's move is way more similar to Colby taking Tina to the end with him.

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Cirie
8 points · 15 days ago

You make a good point. Erik was really trying to save face for the jury and avoid in-game consequences being inflicted by the other players.

Ian, however, was trying to preserve friendships outside the game.

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PREACH!

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Michaela
3 points · 15 days ago

Nope. Nope, nope, nope. Awww, damn...he did what?

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"Go ahead, Jeffrey. Snuff my torch!"
3 points · 14 days ago

There's really nothing I can say about him that hasn't already been said. Ian was a very human character, a reminder that Survivor at its core is a very human game, and that humans always have the capacity to surprise us.

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Aubry
5 points · 15 days ago

I really hope he plays again at some point.

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Aubry
2 points · 11 days ago

Ian's dynamic with Katie and Tom was one of the most interesting social aspects of Survivor. When I first watched Survivor was very young and didn't understand Ian being so devastated by Katie being upset at him and thought she's just manipulating him (still think that, actually) and definitely didn't understand him stepping off to redeem his friendship with Tom. Now that I'm older and wiser, I look back on it and find the story of a guy who came in to win a game and a lot of money and fought hard for it for 38 days and then finally realised there are more important things out there absolutely fascinating. He left a huge legacy and I would love to see him back. He's a genuinely good human that managed to play an impressive game without having wool pooled over his eyes (like many other good-hearted players do) and lost because he actively chose to do so, not because he was fooled.

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Amanda
-3 points · 15 days ago

The forgotten Erik

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